What Is Legal For Rust Repair For Mass. Inspection

ebonyandivory said:

As a small government type, this stuff actually pisses me off. And it's more than than a flake ironic that the other myriad things that are a NO-GO inspection-wise here are going to very much negatively touch the people that can least afford a perfectly stock (or realistically then) vehicle.

My stock 2005 Yukon Denali would fail inspection with the 1" hole in the sheet metallic above the rear bike. That'due south ridiculous.

And it was a condition like this that led to the expiry of two kids.  Mom put the kids in the automobile and and then had to run in to get something. Came back less and then 5 minutes later and thaught they were just asleep.  Nope. . . . They were dead.  Carbon monoxide is absolutly mortiferous to little kids.  The car in question hither had but recently been inspected and had outer body rust through that allowed carbon monoxide into the motel while the machine saturday and idled that killed the kids.  All just so the auto could pass the inspection.  At that place are reasons for the rules.  They are non there simply to be a problem.  The things I take seen come in for inspection have scared me.  The new inspection organisation will hopefully get those cars off the road.  As a automobile owner you have a responsibility to the other people you share the route with to non endanger them due to your car not being in expert working order and safety.  We don't care if yous desire to kill your self due to your own stupidity just taking inocent people with yous is not a right yous have.

In curt ebonyandivory fix the rust pigsty your life or the lies of others actually can exist effected by it.  Modern cars are much tighter than cars of the 60'southward 70'southward and 80's and as such a rust hole in the floor or the body can exist much more than deadly than in the cars of yesteryear.

In respond to dean1484 :

The rust pigsty he's referring to probably doesn't become through to the interior, just from the exterior of the wheel curvation into the wheel well.  In upstate NY, that'southward an incredibly common rust spot (and a lot of vehicles will have rust holes there before in that location's any penetration into the cabin).

Every bit far as registration renewal with expired inspection, I'm surprised that MA doesn't already go for that one.  NY does now IIRC and CT has for a long time (they stopped giving stickers for the emissions test, they merely go by "no electric current test, no registration renewal")

I actually should mail service upwardly some of my inspection storys.  Some quick ones.

Oh and so at that place are the cars that are and then nasty that you feel similar yous need a shower when you exit of them.

Live rodents, spiders, ants, roches are but a few of the fun things people drive around with.  Just nasty!!!

Jacking a car up to inspect the forepart end and accept the ball joint separate and the a arm autumn away was a fun one.  The person was pissed like we broke there car.  Ummm no your car is a POS.  I could experience the stearing effect when I collection it in.  We were annoyed equally it made getting information technology out of the inspection bay a PITA and was costing us $$$$ as we could non do inspections with information technology in the bay.

Oh then at that place are snakes.  Freekin pet snakes should not be in your motorcar.    I detest snakes.   They thought it was funny until I failed them due to not being able to audit the auto and I noted it in the system that the automobile had a snake in it.  Now when the police run the plate information technology will come up.  Idiots.  I then told them that they are not allowed in the inspection bay (state law) and we are not going to drive the car with a snake in it so we were going to accept to have it towed out of the bay.  See who is laughing at present.  Why are people then stupid.

Failed a car for seatbelts due to the dorsum existence filled with trash upwardly to the window sills.  I could non inspect them so information technology is a fail.   Really?????  We are supposed to rummage through half eaten food things that are rotting and snot riddled papers.  Information technology was a dumpster on wheels and smelt worse.  It was a salesmens cars.  Failed.

It is just amaizing what people bring in.

A motorcar that recently had been spraid by a skunk.  Nope not going in it.

Canis familiaris got sick in the back and instead of getting information technology cleaned came to u.s. to inspect information technology?

No headlights and wipers that were missing no wiper fluid.  Sure nosotros will give you a sticker just because you asked.  Non  or rather they got one but it was with teh large blood-red R on it.

People should really inspect in that location cars before bringing them to us.  They seem to call back information technology is our mistake that at that place machine is broken.  You get jaded later doing stickers for a while.

In respond to dean1484 :

The pigsty isn't in any way connected to the inside of the vehicle. Having fixed it, i saw it was not fifty-fifty close to an interior panel. Nevertheless, that's a fail in Ma.

I completely disagree nigh there beingness no gray area equally has been alluded to in this thread. Even a modest rust hole in a lower front end fender would be a neglect equally far equally I can tell.

Sure, there's meaningful regulations that need to be met merely Not all of these new regulations are things that will start killing babies or firemen.

Similar near everything Massachusetts does, information technology's overdone and much of it is an overreaction. If our lawmakers actually wanted to go along people safe or alive, they'd go after drunks and put them away, take stricter testing for the elderly and outlaw teenage girls.

Wow, for i people aren't complaining about smog laws in CA. :)

In reply to rslifkin :

Does not matter outerbody rust though can and does go straight in to the cabin on many vehicals.  We are not paid enough to make a judjment telephone call on each car and if a specific rust hole in a specific location is ok or not.  It is also a safety issue equally a sharp border that say a toddler or young kid walking by the car could be injure on.  That is another reason why information technology is a fail.  Creepers but break out the gorilla duct tape.  I would not want to laissez passer it with that but I call up I would have to.  If we had to make those kinds of decisions and get to that level of technicality on each inspection the inspection cost would be $100 per inspection.  They y'all would really see people crying.  I can see the day when they make passinger automobile inspections more similar the 7D inspections.  That would be a huge eyeopener to people.

I employ to be the one complaining about the inspection rules but now that I am one inspecting and see the stupid stuff that people want us to pass. I now completely understand the need for the rules.  People think near them self and don't consider the bigger motion picture when dealing with these things.

codrus said:

Wow, for one people aren't complaining nigh smog laws in CA. :)

If we had those I wold not do them.  Those are nuts!!!

In reply to dean1484 :

The 1" rust hole on a fender that'southward not even on the widest part of the body and isn't an opening to the passenger compartment is a danger to the public but a tow hitch sticking out of the receiver at shin height isn't?

I'm tall enough to poke my eye out on an antenna. See where I'm going with this? Information technology'southward non an opinion that having naught discretion is stupid.

And I'm not even mentioning the things that may actually be an improvement over the manufacturing plant offerings but I've read from garage owners may probable at present fail yous.

ebonyandivory said:

In respond to dean1484 :

The 1" rust hole on a fender that's non even on the widest office of the body and isn't an opening to the passenger compartment is a danger to the public but a tow hitch sticking out of the receiver at shin height isn't?

I'g tall enough to poke my eye out on an antenna. See where I'm going with this? Information technology's non an opinion that having zippo discretion is stupid.

And I'thousand not fifty-fifty mentioning the things that may actually be an improvement over the factory offerings simply I've read from garage owners may likely now neglect you lot.

Call your Congress man. This is the same  stuff I become from people wanting there car inspection. As inspectors we don't make the rules nosotros just in force them.  The bottom line is you have a vehicle with outer body rust through. It is a fail.  Get mad at your state rep or congressman.

These new rules are going to cost me. I accept rockers that are a fail on my truck. And every bit an inspector I accept to be actress critical of my ain cars. Yep I can inspect my own cars. That is in and of its self something I see equally a problem with the system.

Rockers should definitely be a neglect on most (if not all) vehicles, as they're typically structural.

Of class, nosotros tin can compare this to NY where rust holes in the frame, bottom 6 inches of a door rusted off, etc. still passes provided the suspension attachments oasis't rusted off the frame / body yet.

In reply to dean1484 :

Similar I said, I fixed mine. But I'g good at things like this and can do it myself. Get the unmarried mom with an older auto with a fiddling rust hole on the front fender and she is going to now fail and pay a good chunk of money to accept it fixed because of some group of douches retrieve they know better than we working class folk.

I guess I'll tell my elderly neighbor with his 90'south S10 pickup with some rot on his bedside that has to spend his fixed income on body repair and non on his wife'south medicine to "mutter to his Congress man".

ebonyandivory said:

In reply to dean1484 :

The 1" rust hole on a fender that'due south not even on the widest part of the body and isn't an opening to the passenger compartment is a danger to the public but a tow hitch sticking out of the receiver at shin tiptop isn't?

 Actually, it is. In MA, if you don't accept a trailer attached, you lot are required to pull the pin and remove the ball mount so it isn't a run a risk.

mith612 said:

ebonyandivory said:

In reply to dean1484 :

The 1" rust pigsty on a fender that'south not even on the widest part of the torso and isn't an opening to the passenger compartment is a danger to the public only a tow hitch sticking out of the receiver at shin height isn't?

 Actually, information technology is. In MA, if you don't accept a trailer attached, you are required to pull the pin and remove the ball mount so it isn't a run a risk.

I guess my inspection station is getting fined and so because I have a huge pintle hitch on mine and I don't even own a trailer nonetheless somehow still got a sticker. Zero discretion? Really?

dean1484 said:

I can not wait for them to try and back charge y'all for inspection fees for a registered vehicle that otherwise is legal but y'all did non get a sticker for.  I wonder if not having a sticker will heighten a red flag when it comes time to renew the registration.   I can see another money catch opportunity here.

If that was directed at me I won't complain when it happens.  I can take the lumps I deserve and more than than a few I don't.  I empathise the state is ordained past God yet sometimes I wonder why people live in the NE of the state.

Actually there is nothing in the regs for an inspection sticker that pertains to a trailer hitch and if the ball is I place that I know of. I was just re certified and I read the manual comprehend to cover about a calendar month ago.

ebonyandivory said:

In reply to dean1484 :

Like I said, I fixed mine. But I'yard good at things like this and can practice it myself. Get the single mom with an older car with a little rust hole on the forepart fender and she is going to now neglect and pay a good chunk of money to have information technology fixed considering of some grouping of douches remember they know better than we working class folk.

I judge I'll tell my elderly neighbour with his xc's S10 pickup with some rot on his bedside that has to spend his fixed income on body repair and not on his wife's medicine to "complain to his Congress man".

Information technology just has to be covered, doesn't take to be a Class A OEM repair job. A infinitesimal with the grinder and fifty cents' worth of fiberglass will patch bodywork well enough.

chaparral said:

ebonyandivory said:

In reply to dean1484 :

Similar I said, I fixed mine. But I'm proficient at things similar this and can do it myself. Get the single mom with an older car with a trivial rust pigsty on the forepart fender and she is going to now neglect and pay a skillful clamper of money to have it stock-still because of some group of douches retrieve they know improve than we working class folk.

I guess I'll tell my elderly neighbor with his 90's S10 pickup with some rot on his bedside that has to spend his fixed income on body repair and non on his wife's medicine to "complain to his Congress man".

Information technology just has to be covered, doesn't take to be a Class A OEM repair job. A minute with the grinder and fifty cents' worth of fiberglass will patch bodywork well enough.

Many, many years agone I had an uncle "repair" the rust hole in the trunk of his $50 car with craven bones and roofing tar.

I think we are going to see a lot of wheel spacer kits sold to the bro-dozers

did I read something correctly, y'all can neglect for not having washer fluid in the tank?

In reply to mad_machine :

Makes perfect sense that you tin fail for that.  If the washers are required to piece of work to pass, they can't test them without fluid.  So they have to assume they're not working unless the shop is allowed to fill the tank before testing them.

Wheel spacers are non legal and are an automatic fail.  Yes no washer fluid is also a fail.

Nigh eighty per centum of the things that are inspected are things people should check regularly and should especially cheque earlier an inspection.    It amazes me that people don't turn on there lights and just walk effectually the auto.

At the finish of the day the most Common fail is light bulbs followed close by worn steering components and bad tires.

People are lazy how hard is information technology to walk around your car and inspect the tires, bulbs , seatbelts your gas cap your wipers and the horn and the windshield washer and then test the east restriction. It is the self important type that get mad when I neglect at that place motorcar due to there own laziness that I get the virtually joy in failing. I don't like failing the single mom just getting by or the elderly on a stock-still income just it is besides my chore to keep them condom. I couldn't live with my self if I let something slide and someone got hurt.

Well thank God a 1" rust hole in the bed of a pickup truck will fail. We need to go along these menaces off the road. Small rust holes in external, non-structural body panels impale and injure hundreds of people each mean solar day.

The trick in maryland seemed to be "moving" too west virginia at a friends firm. At ane point 4 of my friends in hagerstown had west virginia plates also avoid inspection.

dean1484 said:

Bike spacers are not legal and are an automatic fail.

That's utterly ridiculous to me.  Estimate my list of "states nobody could pay me enough to live in" is up to 2 (Mass and California).

rslifkin said:

dean1484 said:

Wheel spacers are not legal and are an automatic fail.

That's utterly ridiculous to me.  Approximate my list of "states nobody could pay me enough to alive in" is up to 2 (Mass and California).

With the number of failed wheel spacers I've seen I'yard not certain it's so ridiculous. A cycle spacer is non a little affair but people treat them as such.

rslifkin said:

In respond to mad_machine :

Makes perfect sense that you can neglect for that.  If the washers are required to work to pass, they can't exam them without fluid.  So they have to assume they're not working unless the shop is allowed to fill the tank before testing them.

Having grown upwards in NJ dorsum when they had a fairly stringent inspection procedure (earlier it was privatized) I never had the washers in any of my cars checked. I did have a motorcar fail for not having a comprehend on the gas pedal, but never for a washer. I also had a fiat neglect because the inspector could not get backside the wheel to check the braking. I will exit it to your imagination how heavy she was, probably over the automobile'south weight limit

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